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Exhausted and Confused?   Yes! I need help and more sleep.
Exhausted and Confused?   Yes! I need help and more sleep.
Exhausted and Confused?   Yes! I need help and more sleep.

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  1. Ems says

    Seems to me some households are more strictly routine-focused, some more easy-going and people pick the baby approach that appeals to their personal style. In a way, if that’s how the child is going to be raised anyway, you might as well start as you mean to go on. However I don’t see how regimented feeds and breastfeeding can work, especially at the start. I think new moms are still largely misled about how much work and responsiveness to your newborn is necessary to get nursing established. If you don’t want to nurse, fine, but I have friends who were really disappointed about not being able to because it all got confused with other things they thought they ‘should’ be doing. I nursed my son to sleep for nearly a year, stopped when I thought he was ready and he fussed a little but no CIO dramas at all. So much for bad habits!

  2. Mahua Mandal says

    I didn’t read the whole book – I read parts of it and stopped b/c it didn’t make sense to me. The authors seemed to have very little understanding of healthy child development. What about growth spurts (and my son seemed to have on long growth spurt for his whole newborn phase!). What about mom’s milk supply dropping if the babe is sleeping 7-8 hours straight early on? Even when my son was 9 months old and started eating more solids and sleeping for longer intervals at night my supply dropped to the point where I wasn’t able to provide enough to the nanny. I had to “turbo-boost” my supply with 10-12 nursing and/or pumping sessions for a couple of weeks to get my supply back up (my breastfeeding goal was at least 1 year). I can’t imagine what would have happened to my supply if my son had been sleeping for such a long interval at night from just few weeks or even few months old. I also glanced at some pages of the second book (about the 5-15 month olds) b/c I was curious. The author advises holding the hands down and a “swat to the hand” to promote highchair manners. For a 5-15 month old?!? Pediatricians and all child health experts I know of do not advise parents to ever hit their kids, no matter what age. To note, I am not a Dr. Sears fan either (the pediatrician beloved by many parents who follow attachment parenting). I don’t think a mom should always “parent” her child to sleep, neglecting her own health and sleep needs for years on end (and, frequently, not helping the child get the better, more consolidated sleep s/he also needs). Or that a Mom has to constantly “wear” her baby in a sling to bond well. As with all things in life, I think there is a good middle ground in parenting. For me, Babywise seems too harsh and rigid (too parent-centered) and Dr. Sears seems too fluid. I prefer something in-between for my family and me, and – from what I’ve gathered over the first year of his life – that’s what my son needs too.

  3. Lainie says

    I remember hating the EASY method cause I thought I was doing something so wrong. Of course, as you said, it works IF your baby naps well.

    What does BabyWise say about sleep for toddlers? My 16 month old seems like she can stay up way longer before bed than I would expect, like 8 hours, before she’s ready to fall asleep. I think that’s “against” what BabyWise says, but what is considered normal awake time at that age (after a 2-hour late-morning nap)?

  4. Marcia says

    While that method may work for some, there is NO way it would have worked for my daughter. She still can’t go more than 3 hours without eating during the day. When she was a newborn, it was more like every 2 hours. And she has been completely unpredictable in terms of eating, sleeping, etc. since she was little. It took about 10 months to get her on a somewhat predictable sleeping routine. She might have been one of the failure to thrive babies had I insisted she follow a routine I set for her. And letting her cry has never worked. She just gets more upset and can scream for hours on end. I can only do the best I can for my daughter, not what someone else who doesn’t even know her thinks will work for her.

  5. Kate says

    I, too, read Babywise before my son was even born. I made a schedule and everything. I was a first time mom and had no idea what to expect! Well I soon found out that he might not eat-play-sleep. Very hard to play and keep a newborn awake. I still kept him on a feeding schedule but if his schedule went eat-sleep-eat-play-sleep I was fine with that. He started sleeping for about 6 hours at night around 8-9 weeks. He’s six months now and sleeps for about 11-12 hours! He usually takes one really good nap and a few cat naps throughout the day. I’ve always had a bedtime routine with him too. I think that helped more than anything. It is trial and error. You just have to find what works. I still don’t let him cry it out. Maybe 5 min at the most.

  6. Catherine says

    I read Babywise, and started to follow it when my son was born. I agree with others that I like it for the routine (eat, play, sleep) as my son doesn’t need a full belly to nap…however, we never got on the timed schedule they suggested. It just wasn’t realistic. My son would have a really long morning nap…sometimes up to 3 hours…then would have smaller naps until bed time (45mins ish). We did attempt the “cry it out” method they suggest, but my son just got more energized by crying. I think this book does have some merits when it comes to creating a routine, however, and I think with any book, you need to read it to get the ideas you are comfortable with, and then follow your own intuition.

  7. Euphy says

    I read the Babywise book about three weeks after my daughter was born. I loved the idea of a schedule, but it would have never worked for my daughter. She was never a big eater when it came to the breast or the bottle later. Even at nearly a year old, the most we could get her to drink at a time was 6 oz, and that was rare in itself. I had serious issues with the “cry it out” aspect so young. Most everything else I was reading at the time said that three months was much too young. We did let my daughter cry it out eventually, but I think she was eight months old. (We should have done it much earlier–she slept through the night after two nights of crying. First night was on and off for about 45 minutes–AWFUL. But the second night was only about 10 minutes, and then the next night, she slept all the way through.)

    I do believe that if we had been more structured that she would have had more success with nap time. Bed time never was an issue, but nap time was a struggle nearly every day until she was 15 months old. We just didn’t have a specific routine in place for nap time, or at least did not establish it early enough, and we paid for it later.

    I do have two close friends who pretty much followed Babywise to the tee, and they both had great success. Neither of the sons had any issues with failure to thrive…one of them is in the 95% for both weight and height. Although, it was pretty painful for me to watch/hear one of them let her son cry it out when he was only two months old. He is a great napper/sleeper now though and slept through the night really early. I think he was only eight or nine weeks old.

    I believe that what Nicole says is very wise (if not baby”wise”). Find a balance for what works for you. Take some, leave some.

  8. Jacki B says

    I have a friend who is all about “Baby-wise” and has tried to convince me to read it & “Toddler-wise” for a year now (since pregnancy). I did research because I was already concerned with her raising methods. Her child is like a trained dog; won’t do ANYTHING without her permission….even talking to friends visiting the house or play with others. She spanks him multiple times a day (I asked her what she plans to do if he touches something really dangerous or runs into the road__LOL). She is frustrated all the time with her toddler, but doesn’t see that 70% of what he does is not deliberate to be defiant. A child has a right to decide in what order to eat his food at 2 years old & how long to take at the potty (if he makes an oops, then that’s his deal for not sitting there long enough). It makes me nervous that she touts this book emphatically.

    I read reviews on both books & about the life of the author. I was not impressed in the least. He has been kicked out of every church he’s pastored & been ostracized & cut off from his kids & grandkids. That tells me something about the person. Now if he had just had issues with churches kicking him out (Lord knows I’ve left a few & had trouble myself these days), then I would say, “OK, must be the church then.” But to have your kids legally cut you off from the family–that’s a red flag to me.

    To make matters worse for me. I went to his website to see people’s comments. I guess many women over the years have had questions about feeding baby & their doctor’s concerns about baby’s weight; comments about children acting up in later childhood, and many other valid, understandable questions. All this man could say was how these women were merely “cackling hens in a hen house.” And something to the effect of the idea that they didn’t follow his books and that was the reason for their badly behaved monsters. That he was told by God this is how to raise children & his books were the only proper Christian way to raise them.

    So, parents tried to ignore his insults & told him that they DID follow his book to the letter & what they should do now that they have this situation. (Not even blaming him, but just stating they did do what he said) These parents were at a loss at what to do because what they did backfired on them. The author told them off & said they obviously did not follow his books & needed to re-read them & learn to control their children; that they were the one’s not following God’s will on how to raise children. (AS if this author has the corner market on raising children).

    This attitude from the author right there tells me I want to steer clear from the book. I want authors who are willing to talk about things & reassess what they have written. If something isn’t working for parents, go over it again & maybe change something or give some advice…don’t berate & mock parents that have dutifully followed your “Baby-wise” & “toddler-wise” and other books, gone to your seminars & classes. This man is human & he doesn’t seem to recognize the idea that he could be wrong in some areas.

    TO make matters worse even still. His wife wrote the breast feeding sections & cliamed to have worked as a pediatric nurse & lactation consultant at a hospital at one time. (I can’t remember which one off the top of my head). I guess there were some people trying to take legal action against the book for their kids illnesses & malnutrition (I won’t comment on the right of wrong of that), but what did come out was research into his wife’s claims. Apparently she was lying & there was no record of her even working as a nurse in the hospital she claimed or any other at the time, let alone as a lactation consultant & pediatric nurse. AGAIN, this worries me. Why lie? When the truth comes out, it makes me want to read the book less.

    From my reading of numerous reviews, both for & against these books, I find that the main ruling thought in them is: control of the child’s will from birth because if you don’t, that evil-spirited, selfish child will control you from its first breath.

    Now, I am a first time mom & now have a 5 month old. Never once have I felt “out of control.” A baby can only cry for his needs right now & maybe a couple words if you are rarely lucky. How is that control to ask for his needs to be met? If I need to eat, I go get food; if I am dirty, I take a shower; I can use the restroom myself, so I don’t need to complain about that; If I am cold or hot, I can take care of the proper clothing myself; If I am sick, I do what I can & rest–baby doesn’t know why he is uncomfortable…he just wants love when he’s ill or in pain. HOW is this control evil? Right now it is about baby getting what he needs to be secure as a toddler & child. Not meeting a kids needs weakens the bond with you & your child. It doesn’t mean you will be perfect about it & mess up or be tired. It means you do the best you can to meet his needs as a parent.

    The idea of discipline for a baby is silly, they don’t understand, its obvious! So I say love your baby, watch for the tell-tale signs as they near their first year when you KNOW the child needs discipline to start.

    Until then, love your baby & meet his/her needs…that’s all you need to know!

  9. Nicole says

    I did Babywise for the routine. I agree with you I couldn’t let him “cry it out” at ALL. He was very similar to your boys, he ate every 2 hours when he was small and only got to every 3 hours (and at a year he also still eats or drinks milk every 3 hours). I did exactly what you recommended in your blog, I only took what I felt would work for us. And honestly the routine is about all I took and that was for the day time. At night he gets a bottle before bed and he sleeps just fine. (2 naps almost the same time every day – at least an hour to two hours and over night he sleeps 11-12 hours). I only let him “cry it out” (if that’s what you want to call it) when he was around 9 months old and was starting to wake up in the middle of the night. But even then I only let him cry for a couple mins, I’d walk in and tell him he was ok, say ni-night and walk back out. It took us 3 nights of that but he ended up learning how to sleep without me intervening too much. I just wanted him to know I was there. Great site, I’ve done all the same things you mention here and it worked for us.

    Good luck to all those mommas that have it bad with sleep. I’m truly sorry to hear about it and feel extremely lucky/blessed to have a good sleeper. I cannot imagine what it must be like to try to work with little to no sleep.

  10. lrforever1 says

    My son also could never go 3-4 hours between feedings and actually he never did make it to 4 hours. He was born early and only weighed 4 lbs 8 oz. The doctor told me to feed him on demand and actually to not wait more than 3 hours between a feeding. If he didn’t cry after 3 hours, I was supposed to wake him up to feed. Since he was so small, he needed all the nutrition he can get. He actually fed every two hours until he was 4 to 5 months old and not by my choice, but because that’s when he got hungry. He thrived very well. By 4 months, he had already caught up to what the average baby should be. He began sleeping through the night (went 9 hours his first night, before that he was doing 4 hours max) a week before he was 3 months old! We always had a good routine and I did do the cry it out method when he was about 9 months old. He cried about 30 minutes the first night and every night after that, he would only whine for about 5-10 max. (I did try other methods before CIO and they did not work well for him) I cant imagine doing it as a newborn. Seems cruel to me. Anyway, he is a wonderful sleeper now at 17 months old. After his bath and cuddle time with dad, he knows it’s bed time and we will put him in the crib. He sometimes whines for a minute or so, but shortly after he falls asleep all by himself and stays asleep for about 12-13 hours a night! I am now expecting again and I sure am going to miss my sleep! Every baby is different, so with my second I am not going to expect to do everything the same way as with my first. I will trial and error until i find what’s best for this baby and myself.

    • Nicole says

      Thanks for the great conversation, everyone!

      @lrforever1 Congratulations on your pregnancy with #2! Thank you for sharing your experience with others!

      @Nicole Thank you for commenting and sharing!

      @JackiB Thank you for sharing what you’ve found in your research about the authors and what you read other parents questioned. That’s awful the responses they gave!

      @Euphy Thank you for saying I’m “wise”. 😀 I’m sure it works great for some babies/families, but not for others.

      @Catherine I agree that we need to learn to trust our own instincts and intuition a lot more. It is scary becoming a new mom, but we know more than we think we do. Or, at least we learn fast! Thanks for commenting!

      @Kate Thank you for sharing what worked for you! It does take some trial and error as you get to know your baby.

      @Marcia Yes! You know your baby best. Some babies are naturally irregular, too, like our kids. It makes routine and schedule much more variable. My son (who inspired the site) is still different every day but, of course, it’s a lot easier now that he isn’t napping. 🙂

      @Lainie I have not read the Babywise Toddler book (and hadn’t planned on it, except that I should probably know what it says!). During the summer, bedtimes do get later, but at 16 months, I’d expect awake time to top out at 5-6 hours. 16 month olds still need 11-12 hours of sleep at night (if taking just one nap).

      @Mahua In general, I found the book was not breastfeeding friendly. I was thankful it was by far not the first book I read and I didn’t read it until I had my second child, so I had already knew a lot about breastfeeding and sleep by then. I was more curious about it and tried bits and pieces of it. I, too, am very much more “middle of the road” when it comes to either “extreme” but I do at least feel Dr. Sears is “baby friendly” which at least is more favorable for a newborn who needs a lot of TLC, in my opinion. As a baby grows older, though, I probably veer away from ALL the attachment parenting principles, but a lot of it I think is my natural instinct, anyway, even if I don’t call it my “philosophy.” Thank you for commenting and sharing!

      @Ems Very true! I do think the parents’ personality is a big factor. I am Type A and structured/anal (or used to be), so it did drive me a little nutty when I figured out my son wasn’t a robot. LOL He sure isn’t/wasn’t and I just had to learn to adjust my expectations and let him guide me more. I do agree that expectation setting is important and if you are going to have a structured home, it does make sense to be consistent about it. I guess it’s all about balance and respecting that even if YOU are that way, your baby may not be. Thanks for commenting!

      @Camille Oh wow! I can’t imagine not leaving enough milk for my baby. 🙁

      @Zsoelle I’m so sorry for your really bad experience having read the book and it making the first few months even harder than they already are! I’m glad that you did find what was better for you and your family! Thank you for sharing with us today.